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PHP 8.5 alpha 1 is available for download(php.net)
39 points by jeroenpeters 2 days ago | 16 comments
  • moebrowne2 days ago

    8.5 notably includes the new pipe operator: https://stitcher.io/blog/pipe-operator-in-php-85

    • tslocuma day ago |parent

      Based on the examples given in the blog post, this appears to be a massive step backwards for PHP. The language has been making an effort to clean itself up for years. The author claims that the temporary variable solution "feels icky". If we ultimately care about readability and performance, temporary variables seem ideal even with this change in the language. Modern compilers look for things like temporary variables when performing optimizations. PHP's compiler probably already does this, and if it doesn't, adding support for that would make more sense than adding some new syntax.

    • phendrenad211 hours ago |parent

      I'm not complaining, and I respect the PHP team for continuing to try to improve the language, but I think that we might have passed the point where new additions to the language actually make it worse.

    • kriz92 days ago |parent

      I feel like if you treat temporary variables as documentation they feel less icky. All these examples with the pipeline operator cause way more mental overhead than reading temporary variable names.

      • V__2 days ago |parent

        I think it really depends on what operations you are applying. Having one succinct named variable like $slug with a few simple pipeline calls like in the example is "self-documenting" and easy to read. However, some lambdas and non-standard function are definitely a place for nicely named temporary variables in my opinion.

    • xdfgh11122 days ago |parent

      Kind of a clunky and verbose syntax at the moment. I wonder what languages get pipe syntax right?

      Obligatory: Raku supports pipe in both directions, passing input as the last parameter instead of requiring the function to take only one parameter. It also has a shorthand:

      my @array = <7 8 9 0 1 2 4 3 5 6 7 8 9>; my @final-array = @array.unique.sort.reverse; say @final-array;

      • moebrowne2 days ago |parent

        There is a complementary Partial Function Application RFC which, among other things, solves the one-parameter limitation. It allows a question mark to be substituted in for the piped value:

        $foo |> str_replace('hello', 'hi', ?);

        https://wiki.php.net/rfc/partial_function_application_v2

    • HackerThemAll2 days ago |parent

      Great news! PHP is going to humiliate all its haters.

  • senfiaj14 hours ago

    Still PHP's syntax leaves much to be desired, especially the arrays. https://waspdev.com/articles/2025-06-12/my-honest-opinion-ab...

  • phplovesonga day ago

    Still no unicode support? What in the hell are the devs doing? Looks like they still force that nasty mb_real_uppercase and pals on you.

    • syndeoa day ago |parent

      Maybe waiting for a major version, perhaps 9.0… hopefully.

      Not that I have any skin in that game anymore; I moved my stack from PHP years ago.

    • phendrenad211 hours ago |parent

      And yet millions of websites built on PHP happily serve unicode content to billions of users. Strange.

    • kassnera day ago |parent

      What do you mean? It was released with PHP 6.0 /s

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