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Westinghouse is claiming a nuclear deal would see $80B of new reactors(arstechnica.com)
15 points by atilimcetin 20 hours ago | 14 comments
  • nocoiner19 hours ago

    This sounds great as long as they’re going to build more than, like, four reactors for $80 billion.

    • citizenpaul19 hours ago |parent

      They won't build any. It will have the same outcome as the last one where they were supposed to build 2 reactors and basically filled some holes in the ground with concrete to the tune of $25+ Billion dollars.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nukegate_scandal

      Coincidentally I was listening to a podcast today discussing nuclear power and their opinions were that there will never be a big reactor built in the US again. There might be these new style micro reactors though.

      • phendrenad218 hours ago |parent

        Well, we need to solve that problem. Because nuclear power is a watermark for how well a civilization can handle complexity. It's good practice for the next pandemic, or solar flare, or civil unrest. If we can't handle nuclear, we should just throw in the towel and go back to warring tribes.

        • BobaFloutist3 hours ago |parent

          > we need to solve that problem. Because nuclear power is a watermark for how well a civilization can handle complexity.

          We have got to make that measure a target?

        • ViewTrick100213 hours ago |parent

          Or just build renewables and storage.

          • phendrenad23 hours ago |parent

            And once the world is covered in non-operational solar panels and wind turbines, you think we'll be able to fix it? You think a massive worldwide recycling campaign is going to be easier than nuclear?

            • ViewTrick10022 hours ago |parent

              Why would they be less operational than any other asset we use in our grids which we continuously repair, replace and upgrade?

  • cyanydeez20 hours ago

    Theres two NIMBYs that must be resolved that arent.

    First is easier: where to build it.

    The second is where the waste goes.

    Historically, the second issue is not resolved.

    • panick2117 hours ago |parent

      The waste can stay close to the reactor for literally the few 100 years in most cases, its not actually a problem. The zone where you can't live anyway around a reactor has enough space for local waste storage.

      And if in the next 100 years or so there is some natural change that makes that location a problem, you move it to another already existing nuclear reactor and leave it there.

      If society collapses to such an extent that you do not have the capability to move around some nuclear 'waste' every couple 100 years then your society has much, much bigger problems anyway.

      The idea that we can't or shouldn't build nuclear reactor because we don't have a location where we can put things in one place that is safe for 100000 years is just so fucking absurd if you actually think about it. But its not really about thinking, its all just political theater for uniformed people.

      • cyanydeez7 hours ago |parent

        If you think nuclear waste storage is solved, you might mot be an engineer responsible for human health and thw environment.

        • panick217 hours ago |parent

          Tell me how many people and how much has the environemnt been hurt in 70 years of civilian nuclear waste managment? And can you tell my any reason we couldn't cotinue to do this for another 300 years?

          • cyanydeez4 hours ago |parent

            Well, from storage, if you don't test for it you can't see it, so theres that.

            But nuclear plants are releasing into the environment nuclear materials: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monticello_Nuclear_Generating_... https://apnews.com/article/xcel-energy-nuclear-leak-tritium-...

            So acting like there's zero danger is stupid. Not caring about the future generations is also how we got here, so theres that.

            But you know, if you were a rational person who cared, you'd google this stuff yourself: https://www.yoursourceone.com/columbia_basin/third-hanford-n...

  • jdlshore14 hours ago

    It’s a “Trump deal” with absolutely zero information. It’s probably not going to amount to anything. Solar + battery is eating everybody’s lunch, and nuclear was way too expensive even before that.

    • nasmorn5 hours ago |parent

      At the timescale of large nuclear reactors batteries might be a third or even less of today’s cost.