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176 points by razighter777 11 hours ago | 62 comments
  • dannyfritz077 hours ago

    I've been messing with sandboxing using "bwrap" for random itch.io games I download to play and it isn't trivial to get it working with least privileges. I have so far been unable to get "Microlandia" to run, but other Unity games are running just fine under "bwrap". I am excited to see more Landlock tools emerge that make this task easier.

    - https://github.com/containers/bubblewrap

    - https://codeberg.org/dannyfritz/dotfiles/src/commit/38343008...

    - https://explodi.itch.io/microlandia

    • webstrand4 hours ago |parent

      I was just playing with bwrap for isolating npm project actions from the rest of my system.

          bwrap --unshare-pid --dev-bind / / --tmpfs /home --bind "$(pwd)" "$(pwd)" bash
      
      it seems to work fairly well? But I just started playing with bwrap this weekend. I do wish bwrap could be told "put the program in this pre-prepared network namespace" because accessing unsecured local dev servers could also be an issue.
      • tommica44 minutes ago |parent

        I had this idea of having toolbox+custom user for each project - that way it would be "simple" to have isolated environments, but it does lead to a lot of bloat. And I do think it is a naive solution.

        Bwrap seems like a better option.

  • tux39 hours ago

    What's the status of Landlock in container runtimes? A quick search makes it seem like CRIs are trying to define their own custom Landlock interface.

    That will inevitably lag behind what the kernel supports, but more importantly I don't foresee many container image packagers, Helm recipe maintainers and other YAML wranglers getting into the business of maintaining a Landlock sandbox policy.

    It makes sense for an application to use Landlock directly to sandbox some parser or other sensitive component. But if the CRI just blocks the syscalls by default, no infra person is going to take on the maintainance of their own sandbox policy for every app. The app will just see ENOSYS and not be sandboxed.

    I might be missing the whole idea here, but I really don't see why we need some custom layer in the middle instead of having container runtimes let the security syscalls through?

    • ameliaquining3 hours ago |parent

      I don't think this is really intended for container runtimes. You might be able to make it work in a square-peg-round-hole sort of way but the core use case is different.

  • smartmic9 hours ago

    I am puzzled by this:

    > A official c library doesn’t exist yet unfortunately, but there’s several out there you can try.

    > Landlock is a Linux Security Module (LSM) available since Linux 5.13

    Since when is not a C API the first and foremost interface for developers when it comes to Linux kernel stuff?

    • muvlon9 hours ago |parent

      The first and foremost interface of the kernel is the syscall interface aka the uapi. libc and other C libraries like liburing or libcap are downstream of that. Many syscalls still don't have wrappers in libc after years of use.

      • samus5 hours ago |parent

        Yet for many syscalls there is an official library - in most cases a wrapper in libc, but especially io_uring is known to provide a C library that most applications ought to use instead of the raw syscalls.

        • ijustlovemath5 hours ago |parent

          Is io_uring not itself a set of syscalls?

      • smartmic9 hours ago |parent

        Thanks for clarification! I meant more, why isn't there a C API first, but Rust, Haskell, and Go before that — that's kind of surprising or new to me.

        • wging9 hours ago |parent

          I read the article as saying that there's no official C library but unofficial ones do exist. Quote below, emphasis mine.

          > A official c library doesn’t exist yet unfortunately, but there’s several out there you can try.

          Also, it looks like there is more than zero support for C programs calling Landlock APIs. Even without a 3rd-party library you're not just calling syscall() with a magic number:

          https://docs.kernel.org/userspace-api/landlock.html

          https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/6bda50f4/include/uapi...

          https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/6bda50f4/include/linu...

        • WJW9 hours ago |parent

          I don't understand what you mean. There's no "official" Rust, Haskell and Go APIs for this thing either. All libraries available seem to be just what some third party made available. There's also several C libraries, just none that have been officially endorsed by the Linux kernel team.

        • nine_k8 hours ago |parent

          Go is famous for not needing libc and talking to the kernel. Rust and Haskell have communities that are very interested in safety and security, so they are earlier adopters.

          For C, unofficial support apparently sufficed for now.

    • wyldfire6 hours ago |parent

      It's pretty subtle but it's referring to The C Library, libc.{a,so,dll,etc}. The library provided by your toolchain that supports the language.

      Meaning glibc or musl or your favorite C library probably doesn't have this yet, but since the system calls are well defined you can use A C library (create your own header file using the _syscallN macro for example).

    • jeroenhd9 hours ago |parent

      The lack of a C API should not stop any C developers from using it, hopefully. The wrapper libraries are relatively simple (i.e. https://codeberg.org/git-bruh/landbox) and both Rust and Go can expose a C FFI in case developers would rather link against a more "official" library instead.

      The Linux kernel has a relatively simple example on how to use the syscall even if you can't find a library to deal with it for you: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...

      There is no "liblandlock" or whatever, though there totally could be. The only reason Rust, Go, and Haskell have an easy-to-use API for this syscall is because someone bothered to implement a wrapper and publish it to the usual package managers. Whatever procedure distros use to add new libraries could just as easily be used to push a landlock library/header to use it in C.

    • Levitating4 hours ago |parent

      > Since when is not a C API the first and foremost interface for developers when it comes to Linux kernel stuff?

      Since the kernel developers don't make userland software?

    • megous6 hours ago |parent

      There is a C API. man landlock_add_rule for example.

      https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/uapi/l...

      you can add simple one-line wrappers if you don't like using syscall() function.

    • mulle_nat8 hours ago |parent

      I use this and have no problems with it: https://github.com/marty1885/landlock-unveil

  • roeran hour ago

    If you're trying to deny internet access to a program, beware that landlock only restricts tcp sockets. Programs are free to setup udp or just raw sockets.

  • pdimitar3 hours ago

    I'm very slowly taking an interest in Linux security as I'm starting to disentangle from my Mac and preparing to get a Linux workstation and make it my forever home for personal and work computing. So I'm very new to all this.

    My questions are:

    - How does this help with malware? I want to craft an environment where any program trying to read f.ex. anything inside ~/.ssh is automatically denied. I don't want a malicious build script to exfiltrate all my sensitive data!

    - It seems that this software is well-positioned for us to write application launchers with, is that true? If so, well, I like the idea but it seems too manual.

    Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing. I strongly prefer deny-by-default in an invisible manner i.e. my system to refuse most requests to access this or that. Not opting in to it. Bad actors will not graciously limit their own program with Landlock. They'll try to get anything before I can even blink my eyes.

    I feel I'm missing crucially important context. Can somebody help?

    • ameliaquining3 hours ago |parent

      The threat model here is not malware, but code-execution vulnerabilities in legitimate apps. If you're developing an application, you might use this API to deny yourself privileges that you know you won't need, so that if an attacker finds a code-execution vulnerability in your app, they can't use it to take over the user's machine.

      It is not a suitable technology for sandboxing a program that wasn't designed to be sandboxed in this way. For that, you need one of the other technologies listed in the article.

    • Dig1t3 hours ago |parent

      Mac and iOS have something that is almost exactly the same as this called sandboxing. When a daemon or app starts one of the first things it does (usually right inside of “main”) is enable the sandbox and declare which resources to whitelist, everything else is denied.

      It is only useful for guarding your own process against someone using malicious inputs to get your process to do something you don’t intend. It is not a guard against programs written by malicious actors (malware), there exist other mechanisms to guard against malware.

      • fragmede3 hours ago |parent

        Linux has selinux and apparmor already.

  • ijustlovemath5 hours ago

    Medical device developer here: this is precisely the kind of work we need in highly regulated industries. We use an internal version of something with a similar API to manage our critical threads/processes. Keep it up!

  • fiiin9 hours ago

    Interesting they added new syscalls, instead of handling configuration via /sys like with SELinux and AppArmor. I suppose it must be because of the no privilege principle.

    Can sysadmins disable access to Landlock syscalls via seccomp? Not that I can see why they'd want to, just wondering how this is layered.

    I suppose the problem might be if the system has been set up at some earlier point in time to whitelist a set of syscalls for a process and, as Landlock is newer, its syscall numbers won't be included. A program that has been updated to use Landlock while a seccomp policy that predates Landlock is applied would presumably be terminated with SIGSYS due to this?

    How can a program determine if Landlock is present without just trying the syscalls and seeing if they work?

    • razighter7778 hours ago |parent

      You can restrict the landlock syscalls with seccomp.

      I also don't think doing so is extraordinarily useful.

      If you allow something in landlock, it's still subject to traditional DAC and other restrictions because its a stackable LSM. It can only restrict existing access, not allow new accesses.

  • yalogin7 hours ago

    As a noob in this space, why is this needed when every job already runs inside a VM or a container? Again, a noob so please bear with me

    • woodruffw7 hours ago |parent

      I think it's a reasonable question. The answer is that not everything does indeed run in a VM or a container: lots of things (notably on developer machines) run directly in a host user context, where they have access to all kinds of global state that they don't really need (developer credentials, browser state, etc.).

      But also: even within a container (which isn't itself a sandbox) or a VM, you still have concentric circles of trust and/or privilege. If you're installing arbitrary dependencies from the Internet, for example, you probably want a basic initial defense of preventing those dependencies from exfiltrating your secrets at build time.

    • torton5 hours ago |parent

      On your desktop/laptop, most tasks probably don't run inside VMs or containers. Perhaps some applications use Flatpak or snaps or similar, but the default state for many currently popular Linux distributions is "no sandboxing of any kind".

      Linux holds on to a negligible share of the overall desktop market OS, but it is marginally more popular among tech savvy people, which have plenty of disposable income, meaning the platform has steadily growing interest for malware authors and distributors despite its relatively low usage.

    • zie6 hours ago |parent

      Containers are NOT security wrappers. They are convenience to avoid dependency hell from lazy people.

      VM's can be security wrappers, but if you expose all of $HOME to a VM, then there really isn't much security happening, in terms of your data.

      This lets developers of applications harden themselves, it doesn't require the end-user to do anything(like put it in a VM).

      • zbentley5 hours ago |parent

        The opposite is true. Containwrization systems were built into operating systems as security features. The whole “Linux packaging is a hellscape of self-induced problems, so let’s duct tape a squashfs onto the side of this new security isolation system and call it a deployment primitive” use case we now call “containers” came later and is a fairly inelegant and wasteful way to avoid needing to solve the packaging hellscape problem. It’s valuable to many! But definitely is the square peg to the round hole (security isolation layer) of setns and chroot and friends.

        • ryandrake2 hours ago |parent

          I always thought containers were how lazy developers solved the "I dunno, it works on my machine" problem: By shipping their entire machine.

    • razighter7775 hours ago |parent

      Landlock isn't really an alternative to containers. You can use it as another layer of security, within or outside a container.

      It could even be paired with a chroot to make a container runtime. It's more like a building block for process restrictions

    • fragmede6 hours ago |parent

      > It provides a simple, developer-friendly way to add defense-in-depth to applications.

      Defense in depth. Lock your valuables inside a safe, inside of your locked house. Why lock them in a safe when your house is already locked? Because if someone breaks into your house, you want additional defense "just in case". So just in case I wrote some shitty code and my server got hacked, lock the valuables in a safe anyway so that thief can't steal the expensive silverware (prod credentials).

      • yalogin6 hours ago |parent

        Aren’t there existing methods to do this using selinux or apparmor?

        • loeg2 hours ago |parent

          Both have shortcomings.

  • PeterWhittaker11 hours ago

    So like using seccomp with a whitelist (fairly easy to do) with per-object access rights.

    I'd love to see a comparison of landlock to restricted containers.

    • razighter77710 hours ago |parent

      Comparing landlock to containers isn't really an apples to apples comparison. Containers use a bunch of linux security mechanisms together like chroot seccomp and user namespaces to accomplish their goals. Landlock is just another building block that devs can use.

      Fun fact: because landlock is unprivleged, you can even use it inside containers; or to build an unprivileged container runtime :)

  • notatoad8 hours ago

    i have zero experience with linux system programming so i'm probably missing something, but what's the point of an application restricting itself at runtime? if the application were compromised in some way, wouldn't it simply un-restrict itself?

    • swiftcoder14 minutes ago |parent

      > if the application were compromised in some way, wouldn't it simply un-restrict itself?

      The API doesn't allow un-restriction, only restriction. Since one typically applies restrictions at program start, they will be applied before an attacker gains remote-execution, and the attacker is then limited in what they can do...

    • zanchey7 hours ago |parent

      LWN's article on unveil() is a good explanation - the restrictions are permanently applied to the process and its children until termination: https://lwn.net/Articles/767137/

    • crabmusket3 hours ago |parent

      Reading this as a web developer, it reminds me of Demo's permission system.

      Deno is a JS runtime that often runs, at my behest, code that I did not myself write and haven't vetted. At run time, I can invoke Deno with --allow-read=$PWD and know that Deno will prevent all that untrusted JS from reading any files outside the current directory.

      If Deno itself is compromised then yeah, that won't work. But that's a smaller attack surface than all my NPM packages.

      Just one example of how something like this helps in practise.

    • razighter7778 hours ago |parent

      The kernel enforces that once the policy gets added it can't be removed.

      So the restrictions are permanent for the life of the program. Even root can't undo them.

    • cortesoft7 hours ago |parent

      Since it can’t re-enable privileges during runtime, the compromise would have to modify its own code and restart; if you don’t allow the running process to access its own code, it couldn’t make any changes that would persist across a restart of the code.

    • RonanSoleste8 hours ago |parent

      As the article states. You can not give extra permissions only limit further.

    • johncolanduoni6 hours ago |parent

      For sandboxes where the underlying software is assumed to be non-hostile (e.g. browser sandboxes), these kind of restrictions can be applied very early in a program's execution. If the program doesn't accept any untrusted input until after the restrictions are applied, it can still provide a strong defense against escalation in the event of a vulnerability.

    • williamstein7 hours ago |parent

      codex-cli is a neat example of an open source Rust program that uses Landlock to run commands that an LLM comes up with when writing code (see [1]). The model is that a user trusts the agent program (codex-cli), but has much more limited trust of the commands the remote LLM asks codex-cli to run.

      [1] https://developers.openai.com/codex/security/

  • kosolam11 hours ago

    So it works also by using some cli utility to run my software for example?

    • razighter77710 hours ago |parent

      Yup. There are tools that use landlock to accomplish just that.

      https://github.com/Zouuup/landrun

      All you gotta do is apply a policy and do a fork() exec(). There is also support in firejail.

      • seethishat10 hours ago |parent

        Firejail requires SUID, LandLock does not.

        Also, it's very easy to write your own LandLock policy in the programming language of your choice and wrap whatever program you like rather than downloading stuff from Github. Here's another example in Go:

            package main
        
            import (
             "fmt"
             "github.com/landlock-lsm/go-landlock/landlock"
             "log"
             "os"
             "os/exec"
            )
        
            func main() {
                // Define the LandLock policy
                err := landlock.V1.RestrictPaths(...)
        
                // Execute FireFox
                cmd := exec.Command("/usr/bin/firefox")
            }
        • butvacuum4 hours ago |parent

          Isn't this example just "downloading stuff from GitHub,"(the external Go dependency) but with extra steps? (Having to write and compile a golang app)

        • pdimitar4 hours ago |parent

          So you're basically writing a program launcher? In this case this program is what you'd want to have a desktop shortcut to and not to Firefox itself, is that it?

    • codethief10 hours ago |parent

      Yeah, see e.g. sydbox: https://gitlab.exherbo.org/sydbox/sydbox

  • sofixa9 hours ago

    For a cool practical example, check out Nomad's (flexible workload orchestrator) exec2 task driver: https://github.com/hashicorp/nomad-driver-exec2

    It allows running non/semi-trusted workloads with isolation. Pretty useful to onboard applications into a proper scheduler with all bells and whistles without having to containerise, but still with decent levels of isolation between them.

  • razighter77711 hours ago

    What the Landlock LSM can add to the state of Linux security

    • Cthulhu_9 hours ago |parent

      Is this a statement or a question?

      • razighter7777 hours ago |parent

        whoops it got added by the post creation form. I thought it would appear as a subtitle not a comment lol

  • seethishat10 hours ago

    LandLock is a Minor LSM intended for software developers. They incorporate it into their source code to limit where the programs may read/write. Here's a simple Go example:

        package main
    
        import (
         "flag"
         "fmt"
         "github.com/landlock-lsm/go-landlock/landlock"
         "io/ioutil"
         "log"
         "os"
        )
    
        // simple program that demonstrates how landlock works in Go on Linux systems.
        // Requires 5.13 or newer kernel and .config should look something like this:
        // CONFIG_SECURITY_LANDLOCK=y
        //  CONFIG_LSM="landlock,lockdown,yama,loadpin,safesetid,integrity,apparmor,selinux,smack,tomoyo"
        func main() {
         var help = flag.Bool("help", false, "landlock-example -f /path/to/file.txt")
         var file = flag.String("f", "", "the file path to read")
    
        flag.Parse()
         if *help || len(os.Args) == 1 {
          flag.PrintDefaults()
          return
         }
        
        // allow the program to read files in /home/user/tmp
         err := landlock.V1.RestrictPaths(landlock.RODirs("/home/user/tmp"))
         if err != nil {
         log.Fatal(err)
         }
        
        // attempt to read a file
         bytes, err := ioutil.ReadFile(*file)
         if err != nil {
         log.Fatal(err)
         }
        
        fmt.Println(string(bytes))
        }
    • Cthulhu_9 hours ago |parent

      I feel like I need to ask; did you write this comment and the code example yourself, or did you ask an AI to generate it? If it's AI, why didn't you disclose it? If it's the former, why the weird formatting etc instead of linking to one of the official examples at https://github.com/landlock-lsm/go-landlock/blob/main/exampl... ?

    • razighter77710 hours ago |parent

      Yup. In the application code itself is where landlock shines at the moment.

      It's becoming increasingly usable as a wrapper for untrusted applications as well.

      • unsnap_biceps8 hours ago |parent

        I don't understand why someone would wrap an untrusted application with their own code vs using something like Systemd's exec capabilities to do the same without having to have a binary wrapper. What benefits do you see over the systemd solution?

        • razighter7777 hours ago |parent

          Systemd's exec capabilities are great, but don't allow the application developer to dynamically restrict access rights to resources. So you could restrict a text editor for instance to the file it was launched to edit, instead of a hardcoded directory.