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The Saddest Moment (2013) [pdf](usenix.org)
110 points by tosh 12 hours ago | 21 comments
  • yk7 hours ago

    Bitcoin did two things to this paper, first it demonstrates that Byzantine fault tolerance has practical applications, and second it demonstrates that anytime you have to deal with Byzantine fault tolerance the question is not "How do I verify this message?" but "Why am I trying to deal with those assholes?"

    • noosphr5 hours ago |parent

      Bitcoin manages to consume more power than all the AI systems were wringing our hands over: https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption

      And provides approximately none of the scant benefits of asking Claude to fix my spelling.

      • dchuk2 hours ago |parent

        *we’re

        Sorry, had to do it for the irony

        • noosphr29 minutes ago |parent

          Still better than bitcoin.

  • HeliumHydride7 hours ago

    "Listen, regardless of which Byzantine fault tolerance protocol you pick, Twitter will still have fewer than two nines of availability. As it turns out, Ted the Poorly Paid Datacenter Operator will not send 15 cryptographically signed messages before he accidentally spills coffee on the air conditioning unit."

  • riffraff11 hours ago

    This is one of my favorite quotes from technical comedic writing

    > “How can you make a reliable computer service?” the presenter will ask in an innocent voice before continuing, “It may be difficult if you can’t trust anything and the entire concept of happiness is a lie designed by unseen overlords of endless deceptive power.”

    If you didn't know Mickens[0] and you enjoyed this piece, you may want to peruse more of the same[1]. They're not all this good, but they are good.

    [0] which I discovered through HN years ago, thanks folks [1] https://danielcompton.net/james-mickens-collection

    • EdwardDiego7 hours ago |parent

      Also just found this thanks to another user.

      https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/wisdom/

  • Festivity12996 hours ago

    Hey man, leave Keanu out of this

  • AnimalMuppet11 hours ago

    I don't actually care about byzantine fault tolerance. But, James Mickens wrote it? I'm reading.

    • Avicebron10 hours ago |parent

      The Night Watch... https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf is one of my all time favorite pieces of internet writing

      • rubenflamshep7 hours ago |parent

        Can you believe there are people out there who haven't read this yet? I can, because one of them was me. This was incredible.

        > A systems programmer will know what to do when society breaks down, because the systems programmer already lives in a world without law.

        • nemosaltat7 hours ago |parent

          Me also, I found Mickens through his Harvard Tenure post, but somehow just found Night's Watch today.

      • bloaf4 hours ago |parent

        "I have no tools because I've destroyed my tools with my tools" is a phrase I think to myself at least weekly.

    • nemosaltat11 hours ago |parent

      Your theories on Muppet physiology are childish and naïve, and I viciously refute them in my upcoming article “Parasitic Infections of Muppet Gastrointestinal Hand Holes.”

      [0] https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/tenure-announcement-april-2...

      • EdwardDiego7 hours ago |parent

        Oh thank you very much for that link! I have now bookmarked https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/wisdom/ to binge read.

    • cushychicken11 hours ago |parent

      Mickens is a rare combination of bright, engaging, and absolutely hysterical.

      I hope I get to meet him someday.

      • bigstrat20035 hours ago |parent

        Same. No idea how that could ever happen but it would make my year. Mickens is a treasure.

  • brunooliv7 hours ago

    Mickens is the best!

  • jeffrallen9 hours ago

    This is why I no longer work on trustless systems.

    In actually useful business problems, there is trust to be "exploited" to make the system simpler than Byzantine algorithms can manage. And what if the trust is exploited for theft? Then the parties take a loss, learn who can't be trusted, and get on with business.

    Humans trust. Their systems should too.

    • bear86427 hours ago |parent

      > Humans trust. Their systems should too.

      And indeed as Thompson showed, you've got to trust at some point...

      https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/teaching/2223/R209/Reflections-Trus...

  • nilslindemann7 hours ago

    Things would be profoundly simpler if Judge Dredd would take care of computer crackers.